Re: I don’t understand HUD - Posted by Rick in Erie
Posted by Rick in Erie on October 06, 2003 at 17:00:51:
I just bought a house from HUD in march, and my partner has bought about 4. The one thing I noticed is that if a bid falls thruogh (accepted by HUD) and then you notice the property back on within a week, they will take lower bids. I was one listed at 49,000 and they took a bid of 48,000. Then the bid must have fallen through, because ti showed up again. then some one bid 38,200(less than 80%) and HUD took it. (HUD also had an appraised value of $60,000 on it)!—house would market around 75k as well—I was kicking myslf for not bidding!--------The house I currently live in is also a HUD home----appraised at 33,000 by HUD (it will sell for 50,000+ with cosmetics) it sat for 45 days and HUD reduced their price by 10%–they always do after 45 days at least in my area. down to $29,700. I started low-balling (19k then 22k, then 24500) not enough. My last bid was 25,650. and they got a bid for 29000 and took it. I went to California for a week, and when I got back it was back on the market. I called my realtor that night and put in a bid for $25 more $25,675—they took it(77.8%)!—HUD appraised it at 36,850 as well. (needed minor work, but not 3850 worth to make it at 33,000—I moved in and lived here since the day of closing) Watch how long the property has sat (mine was a rare case—middle of winter, It whould have sold at 33k easily)—you can get some deals if it has sat for a while—I don’t think HUD is as fixed as people think. When a property is first listed, they probably won’t take a 90% bid. If it has sat for 6 mos. they will probably take 85% or less. Also watch what HUD has the property appraised for. I have seen some very low and very high apprasials. I was a property originally listed for 60k sell for 15k. Keep your eye on the market ( I printed the listings for at least 6 months–watch what bids are taken and which aren’t) Also watch your market, you will see listings that are way below market. Good luck with the investing!----------Rick
Posted by Kevin IL on October 06, 2003 at 10:21:13:
Your bid is not made public until after it is rejected or accepted. The HUD bids are received by a computer that checks if the bid amount fits in the “acceptable” parameters. If it’s acceptable, you win and bidding stops. No one can outbid your accepted offer.
Posted by freeman on October 05, 2003 at 19:55:15:
I don’t know about the 87-90% thing, but I know I don’t like the HUD process. I recently bid on a HUD house. No counter-offer or anything. Just not accepted. Then my bid went up on a public website for the whole world to see. The next guy along can see my bid and litterally “one-up” me by bidding over me by just one dollar (since he can see my bid). I’ll still bid on HUD houses in the future, but my bid will be based on an analysis of the deal. If I can’t make good money at 90% of list, I won’t offer that much. They say opportunities are like trains. If you miss one, another will be along shortly. I hope so, cause I haven’t gotten a deal yet, but I’m still trying.
Find a real estate agent who understands HUD homes. Don’t bid through agents who are ignorant of the process. Minimum net bid in most areas is 87% of the asking price. Anything below that is automatically rejected by the computer. If your agent doesn’t know this, it may be time to shop around for a new one.
Posted by Nate(DC) on October 05, 2003 at 18:46:13:
They won’t accept your $35,000 offer. If you offer less than a fixed percentage below asking price (generally around 87-90 percent), your offer won’t even be considered. You have to wait for them to drop the price to a level closer to what you are willing to pay, if you want that offer to be accepted.
Back about 5 or 6 years ago, prior to HUD exposing those repo’s to all those folks via MLS… HUD was a viable way to make a few decent purchases… Once they wised up, and began using Master Brokers and the MLS… say goodbye to using the words “Deals and HUD” in the same sentence.
For about a 6 month period that was nearly my only source of buying houses… No super deals, but highly predictable, profitable turns…
Hope all is well up east… I’ll bet the leaves are starting to fly about now.