Posted by JohnBoy on April 12, 1999 at 24:13:09:
I see now. So your defense is, we rip people off for only $500 instead of thousands that other gurus out there are charging! So that make us better than they are! Give me a break!
First of all. I know nothing about Givens. I’ve heard the name a couple of times but thats about it. Sheets has a good course for beginners. It’s only $168. It doesn’t promise to fund your deals. His consulting thing offers to consult with you do help walk you through some deals. Again, it doesn’t promise to fund your deals for you, only to consult. I’ve heard both good and bad things about it. You can go over to newsgroup II and read all kinds of posts pertaining to his mentoring program. I haven’t heard anything good pertaining to Whitney’s programs. But at the same time, I don’t see him over here trashing other gurus like nationwide has done over the last week. What his program offers I’m not even sure about. LeGrand has some highly successful students that visit this site regularly. They have said good things about his boot camps. I’ve heard many good things about his courses. I’ve also seen LeGrand speak at the CREO Convention in Dallas. It appears he sells and delivers what he promises. In fact one of his students that is well known on this site is signing up again for another boot camp after spending $5000 on that last one she attended. What does that say for his boot camps?
On the other hand I’ve heard mostly bad things about Nationwide. I’ve read numerous posts made by their customers that claim to have submitted deals that exceeded their buying criteria but when it comes time to fund the deals they make up excuses as to why their deals don’t meet their criteria. Some of these people have even posted the details of those deals they submitted to Nationwide which any moron could plainly see they were excellent deals and if Nationwide was really interested in funding deals like they promote to be their biggest selling point to get people to sign up with them, then there’s no reason those deals should have been turned away.
Nationwide has tried to trash this board for the past week by trashing the authors that sell courses here and justify their program by comparing their price to others such as you’ve just done. The bottom line is, what does any of that have to with Nationwide?? So far the only thing it sounds like is that Nationwide is a good company because they charge a lot less than others out there do and so what if Nationwide doesn’t deliver on what they promise!
What carries more weight with me is what other customers have to say about what their experience has been with another company. Naturally your bound to hear some bad with all the good. No one can please 100% of the people all the time. But when idiots that make such ridiculous posts with such lame excuses and use unprofessional sleazy business tactics like trashing other companies as their only defense and justification as to what makes their company so superior to others, one has to stop and question why these idiots would actually think someone would fall for something so lame. Wouldn’t you agree?
One person made a post claiming to be someone with Nationwide and said they had never had one complaint. Do they think people are really that stupid? Then in another post someone from Nationwide claimed even though they had a lot of complaints, at least they refunded the customers money. So which is it? Either they had a lot of complaints or they didn’t. I believe the second response more than the first one. The only sad thing is according to the posts made by past customers of Nationwide has been they couldn’t get a refund when they called Nationwide to get their money back. It appears that the only way to get their money back is to go through all the trouble of filing a complaint with the BBB, or general attorney, etc. Then only will they give the customer a refund. When the people that were posting here last week were coming off as someone that worked for Nationwide, they suddenly changed their tune when they were confronted here by one of their unsatisfied customers asking for a refund. Then the response changed to, I don’t work for Nationwide, I’m just one of their customers that had good success with their program!
Since the people from Nationwide has started this trashing here trying to promote their program, they have done nothing but respond back with lame excuses for their reasons to not provide any references. If they were such a great company that stood behind what they were promoting to sell, then why all the lame excuses? Why all the need to trash other gurus? Why can’t they give any references? Why can’t they provide any kind of proof that they do in fact fund deals for their customers? The only thing I hear is lame excuses. Then they try to pass everything off as it doesn’t matter if they don’t fund any deals because the program alone has so much good information that will help people to get started in real estate! Well that’s just fine and dandy! Only I have one problem with that. That’s NOT what they pitch to their customers to sell their program. They pitch that they will fund your deals and split the profits with you. Then they use the excuse that since your deal always seems to never quite meet our buying criteria, we’ll help walk you through it so you can do it on your own. So far there hasn’t been one person to come forward with any proof that Nationwide has in fact funded a deal for them. Vickie posted some addresses claiming to be deals that Nationwide funded for her, but so far only one of those addresses could be verified and the records show the same property sold in 96 for $50k and again in 98 for $51k. Hardly the type of deal Nationwide would fund. I think they need a little more than only a $1k spread to justify funding a deal, wouldn’t you think? Another one of the properties she gave has an incomplete address and when asked to furnish that address, she refuses to respond with more lame excuses that I’ve been awfully quiet since she posted them. Another person responded to her post regarding those deals she claims to have done with Nationwide and has so far refused to respond to it.
All I can say is this. If you people don’t work for Nationwide and are just trying to defend them, your doing them much more harm than you are any good with all this guru trashing, and hot air blowing. If you are people that work for Nationwide then all I can say is your doing a great job of making yourselves out as a bunch of idiots! And that is the facts! Don’t take my word for it. Scroll down the newsgroup and read the other posts that got started from Nationwide. Search the archives on this site and read all the posts that were made last week that got started by Nationwide. Notice all the phony names posted with the same e-mail from the ones defending Nationwide. Notice the ones with the phony e-mails that were posted in defense of Nationwide. Go read them all and see what a bunch of lame answers that were given in defense of Nationwide.
All I can say is who ever you people are, you did a good job on making Nationwide out to be bad company to do business with. Based on those lame posts that have been made, Nationwide, I DO NOT RECOMMEND!