Business of Real Estate seminars! - Posted by Lonnie

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on June 23, 2003 at 11:26:25:


Many people fail in the selling real estate information business. Many have gone bankrupt. It is not as easy as it appears to you.

If you want to go that route, I’d suggest you work for somebody who is doing it now, so you can earn while you learn. Maybe Ron LeGrand? Certainly not Russ “The Lier and Thief” Whitney. (My opinion).

Good InvestingRon Starr**

Business of Real Estate seminars! - Posted by Lonnie

Posted by Lonnie on June 23, 2003 at 03:15:02:

Ever heard of $5000 seminars or education
materials from self-claim gurus on real estate
and notes? Or the ones that contact you with a ‘salesmen’? No wonder its good business.

Just figure.

Say you, the boss, selling education material for
5k to each client and you give EACH salesmen the

3k/month and 10% commission on the sale closed
deals. (Each deal the client has to pay 5k, so
salesmen get 500 bucks per deal)
List of 40 people to call per month.

Consider the following scenario

BEST CASE: (HIGHLY unlikely)
ALL 40 clients signs up with credit cards.
Salesmen earn 23k/month [((405k)/10)=20k + 3k].
You grossly earn 200k/month (40clients

Only 4/40 clients sign up (10%).
Salesmen earn 5k/month [(45k)/10)=2k + 3k].
You grossly earn 20k/month (4clients

Only 1/40 clients sign up (2.5%)
Salesmen earns 3500/month [(1*5k)/10)=500 + 3k].
You grossly earn 5000/month.

Your fixed expenses:
business rent: 2000/month
business util: 500/month

your net profit per month PER salesmen
200,000 - (2500 + 23,000) = 174,500 per month
20,000 - (2500 + 5000) = 12,500 per month
5,000 - (2500 + 3500) = (-1,000) per month

BUT if you hire 5 salesmen. Your profit:
(200,0005)-(2500+(23,0005)) = 882,500 per mon
(20,0005)-(2500+(50005)) = 72,500 per month
(5,0005)-(2500+(35005)) = 5,000 per month

This all translate to per YEAR FOR YOU profit wise if you hire ONLY 5 salesmen to make calls for you
882,500 * 12 = $10,590,000 profits annually
72,500 * 12 = $870,000 profits annually
5000 * 12 = $60,000 profits annually (the salary of a programmer working for someone else)

So from this analysis, you can tell that selling
education material (whether they are scams or not) is SUCH A profitable business. Sure beats
working for someone else since even the worst
case is the salary of a college grad. Even if
the number of successful calls were 5 percent as oppose to the probable worst case of 2.5 percent,
you can since make a bundle. AND if you INCREASE
the number of salesmen, It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY
that you will have negative cash flow from this business…why? You can see from the example above
what happens when increasing from 1 salesman to just 5 salesmen for the worst probable case. (Do the math your self if you increase to 15 salesmen for the worst probable case. even 2% success rate will be very profitable for that)…the more you call, the highly of successful response like mail order. Plus there are still LOTSA suckers out there who buy these materials.

Only way they go out of business is ZERO or less than 2 or 1 percent success sign up rate.

No wonder even the TRUE ‘gurus’ who did deals
themselves eventually will switch to selling education materials than doing deals. Not to mention the ones that falsely claims they are gurus (by like doing one deal themselves and say I?m an expert.) So beware of gurus… like
stenfanchik and pmgmentors or anyone. Just 45 minutes of their worthless time ‘mentoring’ you OVER the phone per week is BIG bucks for them.
Just like the porn industry.

Wouldn’t you want to be in this high priced seminar educational material business also?
It sure beats flipping property or notes for 3 or 5k or each 10 or 20k per month, no?

Just my 2 cents to alert people of these high priced materials during bad economic times now.

Sounds like you’re envious - Posted by DaveD(WI)

Posted by DaveD(WI) on July 02, 2003 at 09:04:35:

Lonnie, all we get is 24 hours a day. It’s way too hard and unrenumerative to try to figure it out yourself. You waste too much time, and the school of hard knocks costs far more. I am all in favor of having my learning curve knocked down by greasing the palms of those who can walk the talk. Buyer beware, of course, but if you stick around here, you can figure out the doers from the duffers.

All the best. . .

Re: Business of Real Estate seminars! - Posted by Robin Frazier

Posted by Robin Frazier on June 24, 2003 at 10:41:35:

I agree with you Lonnie, If I was making millions in realestate, Why would I even consider teaching others to do it at 5000 a pop.