DMV Title Question - Posted by Mary Ellen

Posted by Philip on August 20, 2003 at 20:54:54:

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DMV Title Question - Posted by Mary Ellen

Posted by Mary Ellen on August 15, 2003 at 14:22:12:

Anyone had problems in transferring a Mobile Home Title from DMV over to Department Of Housing? This is in regards to an older pre 1970 Double wide MH that had current DMV tags when deal was made, but when title was taken to DMV for registering and transferring ownership, DMV said due to the size of the home (over 40’ long)it would now need to go through Department Of Housing.

Paperwork, including the original DMV titles were signed by both seller and buyer and submitted to D.O.H. and “Release Of Liability” forms were turned in to the DMV by the seller. Despite numerous calls and several letters to DMV they still keep sending registration renewals to the seller. Anyone else ever dealt with this situation and if so, how was it finally resolved?

Re: DMV Title Question - Posted by MSM

Posted by MSM on August 15, 2003 at 16:23:47:

I’ve dealt with a similar situation and have a friend who went through it too here in Calif… In my friend’s case, The DMV even started billing him for delinquent DMV fees even though his buyer did all the Dept of Housing’s paperwork as requested and paid the taxes to them and so on. I don’t know if you are the buyer or seller, but my guess is there are a lot of buyers out there that probably wouldn’t know that the size of the home could determine which Dept. would try to register it and so they might take the title to the DMV where the original documents were done not knowing any different. I don’t know what the solution would be in your case. Maybe try making contact again with the DOH or DMV and ask to speak with a “supervisor”? You may need to move up higher in the chain of command to get any resolution. Hope it works out

Lemme guess…You’re from California…right? - Posted by Dr. Craig Whisler CA NV

Posted by Dr. Craig Whisler CA NV on August 15, 2003 at 15:08:48:

In California mobile home and other type of trailer titles were originally handled by the DMV. Now-a-days mobile home titles are handled by the Department Of Housing, abbreviated, DOH, because they end up with yours.

Well, noone espects Gray Davis (Gov. about to go to the recall gallows) to be very smart, much less any other democrats working under him, at the DMV.

Guesss what? DMV forgot to keep any records of the size (length) of the ‘trailers’ that they license. So now they don’t know if you have a giant mobile home or just a little 4-8 trash hauling trailer. Its an important distinction because that little trailer will probably cost you about $12 per year to license and your castle on wheels may cost you $500 to $1,000 or more to license.

Ok, here your chance to kick the Gov. while he is down. When you go in to DMV to pay our license fees they will ask you how big (long) your ‘trailer’ is. If you say it is a big (highly taxable) mobile home they will take your green ‘pink’ slip away from you and tear it up right in front of your eyes. This should be your first clue to whats about to happen to you. They will tell you that they no longer license mobile homes and you need to go to DOH with your wheel barrow. The barrow is to carry all of the money you will need to license it at DOH. Now, on the other hand if you can’t quite remember just EXACTLY how longer your little ‘trailer’ is and say,m oh, I guess it may be about 4 x 8 or so, they will just take your $12 and give you another year’s license.

CA pols were planning to raise our DMV fees 300% on Oct 1st. See why the Gov. is being recalled? This is how you can kick him while he is down. Oh, such fun!

Regards, doc

Re: Lemme guess…You’re from California…right? - Posted by Mary Ellen

Posted by Mary Ellen on August 15, 2003 at 15:42:49:

Yep, California is indeed the location. In this case, no tearing up of title was done by DMV, they simply provided the toll free number for DOH, who in turn sent instructions and applications, etc. to buyer on how to complete the transfer. Will the fact that it is now subject to DOH titling rather than DMV cause difficulty for the seller if the seller wished to market the Note later down the line, or will the fact that the DMV fees are due to be raised 300% work in the seller’s favor? Also still not sure how to get the DMV to remove the MH from their database so the seller doesn’t continue receiving Renewal Notices? DOH doesn’t seem to have the answers. DMV gives the runaround with One Dept. blaming the other. Serioulsy, how would you go about resolving this?

Robin the Hood strikes again. - Posted by Dr. Craig Whisler CA NV

Posted by Dr. Craig Whisler CA NV on August 20, 2003 at 15:11:58:

You are right about DOH not always having the answers and the DMV giving you the runaround. Its about par for the course.

I suspect that once you register with DOH your record will automatically disappear from DMV’s data base. If not I don’t know what to say. I have never had such a problem with renewal notices. If it doesn’t disappear, thats OK too. You would be able to choose whichever is cheaper and pay that agency. It would be like having your cake and eating it too.

Also not mentioned in my post is that if you are buying a mobile on private land in CA you should consider how long you will own it before deciding whether you want DOH to title it or you would prefer to have the local County Assessor tax it as real property. This is possible even though a mobile home is technically personal property rather than real property when not placed on a permanent foundation. You have two California governmental agencies competing for your same tax dollar. Neat huh? Forum shopping for the entrepreneur. It would make a big difference which you choose at about the five year mark or longer. I forget which way is best to be taxed for either short or long term ownership but I do remember it involves a substantial saving in the long run if you do it right. Just ask both agencies what their rates would be and then you decide what would be best for you depending on how long you will hold it.

Since my last post I have read in the newspaper that numerous candidates including the Gov himself are proposing to roll back the proposed 300% hike before it takes effect. Its become a real political football. Robin-the-Hood (Gov) says now that we should cancel the DMV rate increase and find a way to pass the tax off onto the rich (meaning any Republian who works harder and earns more). That is the Democratic national anthem: steal from the hard working to give to those who aren’t hard working. What could be more fair? In other, more honest, times it was know by its real names, the two isms, communism and socialism. Now its just called the Democratic Party Manifesto. Same diffference. No wonder California is so deep in debt.

None of this should make any difference regarding the later sale of the note because the note isn’t subject to any of these fees, only the mobile home is. It would therefor make a slight difference to the mobile home buyer but no didfference note to the note buyer.

Regards, doc