Re: Is the mortgage fraud - Posted by John Corey
Posted by John Corey on March 23, 2006 at 08:54:27:
Fraud does not come from a payment being made off the HUD1. The fraud would be from deceiving the lender by hiding something material to the lender’s decision process.
A gun is not evil or bad. A person using a gun to commit a crime does not make the gun bad. The gun has neither good or bad attributes. It is in the application and the specific circumstances.
The cash and the HUD1 are artifacts of the deal. If the person is deceiving the lender to get a higher loan then they are committing loan fraud. If the lender bases the loan decision on the ARV value determined by the appraisal and does not factor in the sale price the the lender is not being deceived so no fraud and are fine with cash back.
One reason why deals like this are not common is because it is messy to force someone to finish the deal after the title has transferred and the money was paid out of escrow.
If the buyer or other parties are paying cash outside of escrow to hide the gain so taxes can be avoided that is tax fraud. If the parties declare the numbers correctly on the respective tax returns the IRS does not care about what was on the HUD1.
It could be true that the seller will not have any taxes owed. It is also true that the gain would be determined by what was received and the HUD1 just happens not to represent the full transaction. The IRS has no view on HUD1s. They do not require the evidence of the transition to be documented on a HUD1. It might be common or easy when the HUD1 does represent the full transaction but the IRS has no requirement for a specific form.
There is one or more ways that the full deal is legal. There are also multiple ways the deal will shift into something that is not legal or was never intended to be legal. Atlanta has some of the highest rates of mortgage fraud in the US and the FBI has a dedicated team focusing on the topic.
If you are only going to make an extra $500 why even get involved. If you were going to make a lot more you could have the contracts & transaction reviewed by an attorney. Given the $500 difference it will not cover the added time and costs.
Find a different buyer or have this buyer do the deal the way you want to do the deal. If they are really sophisticated they will be fine with the alternative. If they only know one way to put deals together they will walk.
John Corey
PS. I am a little fuzzy on the following so someone can correct me if they know better. A HUD1 is not legally required. It is required for transactions that involve lenders with federal charters or something similar. Hence it is a procedural requirements for most transactions. Most title companies have standard practices and that includes using the HUD1. A convention or business practice but not required by law. All that is documented on the HUD1 is that which went through escrow. A payment made before or after the escrow is not illegal unless you sign something saying there are no other payments and then you participate in such a payment.