Posted by Steve on September 22, 2003 at 17:35:39:
I am in Orlando. I hope you did not misunderstand what I was saying. My point is God help him if I catch him removing my signs also. It sounded a little like you may have thought I was condoning removal of signs…which I definitely DO NOT!!
“laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Scott (ATL)
Posted by Scott (ATL) on September 19, 2003 at 20:32:10:
I found a company that does sign placement and they are licensed in a number of cities to do this. He said that it was “illegal” to place signs if you weren’t a builder. He places signs for new subdivisions. Nice guy but do you think cities actually have laws on the books or are they just “ordinances”? I am assuming that a law means you can be prosecuted where and ordinance has no legal backing other than trying to sue for breach of the ordinance?
Anyway, are there true “sign laws” or is it more of a community/city “you’re not supposed to put signs there” kind of thing?
Thanks for the input!!
Scott
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by MoniqueUSA
Posted by MoniqueUSA on September 21, 2003 at 15:03:26:
Scott,
Call the Code Enforcement division (or similar name) for your county or municipality. Ask if they have a street sign ordinance, which they most likely will. And ask if they could fax you a copy.
A strong builder’s lobby might very well lead to sign ordinance that says builders (and probably politicians) are exempt from the sign ordinance.
MoniqueUSA
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Phil
Posted by Phil on September 20, 2003 at 22:54:18:
The city put signs on poles in my neighborhood saying it is illegal to post signs. The nerver of those sleeze balls. Can someone come over here and take them signs down? Get those offensive speed limit signs while your at it.
BTW. I noticed people posting from all over the US here. I read an article about signs in the newspaper a few years ago…some guy said he went on vacation and never saw a sign out side of Houston. According to him the signs you people are seeing, pulling up, or tearing down don’t really exist.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Jerry Martin NC
Posted by Jerry Martin NC on September 20, 2003 at 13:36:32:
Scott from my experience as a chairman of a planning board and later the zoning board, I can tell you that when a zoning law in passed into the town’s laws any part of that ordinance that is violated is in fact a crime. It has dual punishment, (ie) civil and criminal penalties. Be careful out there.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Eric_Tx
Posted by Eric_Tx on September 19, 2003 at 23:46:31:
I would have to say it depends on the individual town or city. Where I live there is really no problem putting them up, they are everywhere, however if you go into 2 smaller cities that in the same area, there are no signs, and I am told that one of them has a habbit of ticketing for signs. I just stay out of those areas. However I can say this. If you live in Las Vegas… DONT. A friend of mine out there was actually setup by a sting operation and ended up with a dozen tickets. They were all dismissed but he was sweating it there for a while. You know its kinda funny that they would bother with him and yet during comdex there were porn flyers blowing down the streets… go fig huh…
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Nick
Posted by Nick on September 19, 2003 at 21:23:17:
I dont know about ordinance but at minimum it is grafetti and litter. With your phone number on it. I cant bring myself to put up these ugly signs.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Jack
Posted by Jack on September 19, 2003 at 21:08:55:
An ordinance is a law. Whether or not violation of the law/ordinance can result in criminal penalties depends entirely on the wording of the law/ordinance.
ps: I take illegal Sleaze Ball Signs because they reflect poorly upon law abiding investors such as myself.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Jack
Posted by Jack on September 21, 2003 at 10:11:39:
Phil;
I take ‘I buy Houses’ Sleaze Ball Signs because they reflect poorly upon law abiding investors such as myself. City signs and traffic signs don’t reflect poorly upon me as an investor, so there would be no point in my taking them. I thought that was clear.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Scott (ATL)
Posted by Scott (ATL) on September 20, 2003 at 22:04:04:
You might have some insight…did you guys exclude builders from this type of law? As I mentioned to Jack it seems strange that a builder would be “exempt”. However, campaign donations may be the cause of that?
Anyway, I will look into it further as there are tons of signs near this property. Hardly a sign near where I live so there probably is a difference in laws.
Thanks!!
Scott
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Darkside
Posted by Darkside on September 21, 2003 at 22:26:34:
Jack,
You claim to be a “law abiding investor”, but isn’t it illegal to STEAL someone else’s property? Whether or not those signs are legally placed, they are still the legal property of someone who ISN’T you.
Hey, I’m not trying to be rude, but that seems strange to me…
Hakuna Matata
Darkside
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by scottese
Posted by scottese on September 21, 2003 at 15:26:35:
Jack, I just read your post. I have to agree with you about the signs not being the best looking things in the world. I really don’t care for them myself. But, I don’t see how you could have a problem with them, and take it upon yourself to take them down, but not care about any other type of sign? Do you vote? Would political signs not bother you? They are shoving their message down your throat. And most of the time end up as trash in someones yard. I guess what I am saying is that it seems hypocritical of you to decide what signs are acceptable and which are not. So the issue you have is with the content not context? All of the peolple that put up signs are doing business the same way. Why are just the REIs “sleazeballs”? I don’t like any of them but I don’t think you should single out one group. Be a stand up guy and fight for what you believe in, but don’t fall short, and don’t just pick on the little guy (that’s makes you a bully). Make some calls to the builders and politicians too! To me all of the sign look the same, and I don’t feel they make me look badly at all, but the do make any area look bad, regardless of what’s printed upon them.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Scott (ATL)
Posted by Scott (ATL) on September 20, 2003 at 22:01:20:
I haven’t used them before mainly for the reasons you mention. However, I’m not getting a good response for my rent-to-own right now so I’m looking at “spreading the word”. Since Realtors put there signs up I figured I could do the same (no nailing to utility poles simply staked in ground and many more than a Realtor). I do plan on having them taken down after I sell but I’d rather not get fined.
It is “strange” that the placement guy I talked with said builders are allowed. Since I rehab couldn’t I be considered a builder? I wonder how one goes about getting this classification? I don’t see how a community would say no to everyone but builders…of course builders may pony up funds to community leaders campaigns so that might be why. Who knows.
Thanks for the info!!!
Scott
Re: Thanks, Jack. - Posted by Jim V
Posted by Jim V on September 19, 2003 at 21:54:04:
I just took a walk down the street and removed a sign stapled to a utility pole.
Normally, I don’t get involved in the ethics of sign placement, but if it’s where I live, signs probably won’t stay up.
Thanks for providing the incentive for me to take the effort, mild as it was.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Darkside
Posted by Darkside on September 21, 2003 at 22:31:53:
Jack,
Sorry to beat this to death, but again you’re talking about what a “law abiding investor” you are, but in the same breath, you admit that you steal other people’s signs. Regardless of what you call them or what your personal opinion of them is, they’re not yours to take. If the local code enforcement officer wants to remove them, that’s his right.
In order to be “law abiding”, you have to abide by the law. No two ways about it.
Hakuna Matata
Darkside
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Jack
Posted by Jack on September 21, 2003 at 23:35:04:
They are abandoned property. You are still wrong. lol
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Jack
Posted by Jack on September 21, 2003 at 09:58:40:
I don’t know the answer to your questions. Builder signs (or chruch signs, or community center signs, or garage sale signs, or lawn work signs, or contractor signs, or Realtor signs) don’t reflect negatively upon me as a Real Estate investor. So I don’t concern myself with the laws regarding their signs.
Re: Thanks, Jack. - Posted by Steve
Posted by Steve on September 22, 2003 at 13:35:35:
Pretty sad that you are that much of a follower!!
Re: Thanks, Jack. - Posted by Andy
Posted by Andy on September 20, 2003 at 09:06:29:
Personal comment - if you put up a sign you should remove the sign when finished. No need to litter any neighborhood! This is one of the things that really bugs me about Political signs.
Re: “laws” with bandit signs - Posted by Jack
Posted by Jack on September 21, 2003 at 23:44:26:
It is legal for me to remove illegal signs. You are wrong.